Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

nalini elkins <nalini.elkins@e-dco.com> Wed, 14 March 2018 23:00 UTC

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>
> >>One strategy that's very effective for overcoming resistance to bad
> ideas is to keep pushing the idea until nobody who's resisting it can
> afford to continue doing so.
>

>There's a name for that tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion".
(On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within
ICANN.)


Guys, I know it is a lot of fun to talk about how others do not have the
brains that God gave a termite and that maybe they are even the spawn of
the devil.

But, let's just use Occam's razor.   Or as I tell my daughter, "if you hear
hoof beats, it is likely not a zebra, it is a horse".

The simple explanation is that people think they will have serious issues
with TLS1.3 and actually, TLS1.2 when it is DH only.

Nalini


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>;
wrote:

> 13 Mar. 2018 –≥., 18:38 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>;:
>
>> One strategy that's very effective for overcoming resistance to bad ideas
>> is to keep pushing the idea until nobody who's resisting it can afford to
>> continue doing so.
>>
>
> There's a name for that tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion".
> (On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within
> ICANN.)
>
>>
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