Re: [TLS] Consensus call on codepoint strategy for draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Wed, 29 March 2023 02:21 UTC

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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 22:21:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Consensus call on codepoint strategy for draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design
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+1

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:15 PM Christopher Patton <cpatton=
40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> I support this. Adding P256 + Kyber768 seems like a good idea.
>
> Chris P.
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:50 AM Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As discussed during yesterday's meeting, we would like to assess
>> consensus for moving draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design forward with the
>> following strategy for allocating codepoints we can use in deployments.
>>
>> 1. Remove codepoints from draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design and advance this
>> document through the process towards publication.
>> 2. Write a simple -00 draft that specifies the target variant of
>> X25519+Kyber768 with a codepoint from the standard ranges. (Bas helpfully
>> did this for us already [1].) Once this is complete, request a codepoint
>> from IANA using the standard procedure.
>>
>> The intent of this proposal is to get us a codepoint that we can deploy
>> today without putting a "draft codepoint" in an eventual RFC.
>>
>> Please let us know if you support this proposal by April 18, 2023.
>> Assuming there is rough consensus, we will move forward with this proposal.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris, Joe, and Sean
>>
>> [1]
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tls-westerbaan-xyber768d00-00
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