Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker, I-Ds, and email addresses

John

Are you suggesting that when an I-D is submitted, the email addresses of the authors are automagically added to their Datatracker profiles, even if they themselves omitted to do that?

Jay

> On 28 May 2023, at 01:36, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Yes, typo.  Sorry.
> 
> And, yes, I can imagine such a heuristic.  At the same time, if
> that most recent RFCs is decades old and the (new) I-D is fully
> posted, it seems to be that a competent heuristic would either
> go with the information in the I-D or point the inconsistency
> out and ask for human assistance.   (FWIW, I am not able to
> figure out what it would mean to identify an I-D as less than
> fully posted when the announcement had bee sent to
> IETF-announce, the datatracker page was up, and the document was
> online in the places that both specified, all of which are the
> case here.)
> 
> best,
>   john
> 
> 
> --On Sunday, May 28, 2023 11:53 +1200 Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> To avoid confusion, I think you mean RFC 2693.
>> 
>> I'd guess that we are dealing with a heuristic for the case
>> where
>> the DT profile is incomplete. "Use the most recent RFC" might
>> appear safer than "use the most recent I-D" in some lights.
>> Or maybe "use the most recent I-D" won't work before the I-D
>> has been fully posted.
>> 
>> Regards
>>    Brian
>> 
>> On 28-May-23 11:24, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Until very recently, I assumed that the email addresses shown
>>> in the Datatracker, particularly those shown on the home
>>> pages for various I-Ds, would be the most up-to-date ones we
>>> had except, possibly, for old I-Ds where they might reflect
>>> the addresses shown as Author Address information in those
>>> I-Ds.
>>> 
>>> That does not appear to be the case.   If one examines
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rivest-sexp/
>>> an address is shown for the first author, Ronald L. Rivest, of
>>> rivest@theory.lcs.mit.edu.  His datatracker page does not show
>>> any email addresses at all.  RFC 1186 (October 1990) shows
>>> that address under Author's Addresses as does RFC 2593
>>> (September 1999).  But that address has been dead, or at least
>>> not-preferred, since at least July 2003 when LCS was merged
>>> into CSAIL and MIT, IIR, was already strongly preferring
>>> user@mit.edu styles of email addresses over
>>> user@department-or-lab.mit.edu ones before I left about a
>>> decade earlier.
>>> 
>>> In any event, the Authors' Addresses section of
>>> draft-rivest-sexp-00 shows the correct current email address,
>>> rivest@mit.edu.  Why is the datatracker picking up, and
>>> showing on that I-D page, a two decade-old address rather
>>> than the one in an I-D posted a couple of days ago?  And,
>>> especially assuming that there might be other instances of
>>> similar relationships, can this be fixed and fixed more
>>> generally than patching that particular page (although that
>>> would be good too)?
>>> 
>>>       thanks
>>>        john
>>> 
>>> 
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