Re: [Tools-discuss] postconfirm

On 2019-06-25 05:10, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> Exactly.

Ok, so if the body was never read, that change is immaterial?

For the Subject change, is this the proposal?

Old subject line text:

  Confirm: {recipient}:{filename}:{hash}

New subject line text:

  Action Required: Confirm: {recipient}:{filename}:{hash}

Henrik

> Thanks,
> 
> 
>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 12:35 pm, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think mark’s point is that the people he was trying to reach
>> triaged the mail on the subject and never looked at the body (so a
>> body change would be a no-op).
>> 
>> As an aside, we have other templates that pull the envelope into
>> the template. Perhaps this one should go there too?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark, Robert,
>>> 
>>>> On 2019-06-25 01:52, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>>>> That would really help. Could we also start the mail with something like:
>>>> 
>>>> "Attention: your message has not been posted to the list yet. Please confirm your posting by..."?
>>> 
>>> The body is based on a template, so easily changed.  Changing the subject
>>> line has repercussions on the code, so let's see if a body change would
>>> be enough.  So, the proposal is to change the body as follows:
>>> 
>>> Old template text:
>>> 
>>> Confirmation of list posting -- confirmation ID: $filename
>>> 
>>> The ietf.org mailing-list server has received a list posting from 
>>> $sender to $recipient with the subject 
>>> '$[msg["subject"]]'
>>> 
>>> As the sender address isn't subscribed to the list, and has not been
>>> confirmed earlier, we have to request a confirmation of the address.
>>> To confirm the address, send a message to $recipient,
>>> with the same subject line as this message.
>>> 
>>> (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
>>> interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
>>> form.  The reply's additional "Re:" is ok.)
>>> 
>>> If you do not wish your posting to the list to go through, simply
>>> disregard this message.  Questions to $[conf.admin_address].
>>> 
>>> New template text:
>>> 
>>> Attention: your message has not been posted to the list yet.
>>> Please confirm your posting by responding to this message:
>>> 
>>> The ietf.org mailing-list server has received a list posting from 
>>> $sender to $recipient with the subject 
>>> '$[msg["subject"]]'
>>> 
>>> As the sender address isn't subscribed to the list, and has not been
>>> confirmed earlier, we have to request a confirmation of the address.
>>> To confirm the address, send a message to $recipient,
>>> with the same subject line as this message.
>>> 
>>> (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
>>> interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
>>> form.  The reply's additional "Re:" is ok.)
>>> 
>>> If you do not wish your posting to the list to go through, simply
>>> disregard this message.  Questions to $[conf.admin_address].
>>> 
>>> Does that match your proposal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Henrik
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 4:23 am, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps start the subject with "Action Required:" ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> RjS
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/23/19 9:28 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2019-06-24 03:05, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For the escape-workshop-pc mailing list, we had a number of
>>>>>>> submissions from non-IETF people get stuck at the confirmation stage,
>>>>>>> because people who were not familiar with postman norms didn't
>>>>>>> realise they had to respond to the confirm message.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In particular, the Subject of the e-mail is "Confirm: ...", and the
>>>>>>> most prominent line is "Confirmation of list posting -- confirmation
>>>>>>> ID: ..." -- which can be read to say that THIS e-mail is confirming
>>>>>>> that posting has already occurred.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Would it be possible to rewrite the confirmation message to make it
>>>>>>> more clear to busy readers that they need to act on the message?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Certainly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you have a proposal for the changed message?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Henrik
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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