Re: [Tools-discuss] Serving a partial documents (was Re: [rfc-i] Citing drafts)

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Sat, 27 February 2021 00:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Serving a partial documents (was Re: [rfc-i] Citing drafts)
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> On Feb 26, 2021, at 4:29 PM, HANSEN, TONY L <tony@att.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2/26/2021, 1:39 PM, "Bob Hinden" <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 10:04, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:03 AM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, I _think_ the way the main document page behaves now was intended to
>>>> protect people on low bandwidth or expensive bandwidth connections from
>>>> very large documents.
>>>> 
>>>> Is that still something we should consider important? Or would it be
>>>> better if the main page served the whole document all the time?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think that's largely unnecessary at this time, especially given that a
>>> lot of people currently go to tools which serves the whole thing
>> 
>> +1 to Robert's memory, and +1 to Ekr's proposal and reasoning.
> 
>    Agreed.
> 
>    Bob
> 
> If you're logged in, you already have control over whether the full document is shown be default or not. Preferences -> "Show full document text by default?" controls that. I turned it on ages and ages ago.

I didn’t know that was there :-(

Bob

> 
> However, the default has always been Off. Perhaps the default needs to become On?
> 
> 	Tony
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