Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> Fri, 22 March 2019 07:52 UTC
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To: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" <gsalguei@cisco.com>
CC: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Simon Perreault <Simon.Perreault@logmein.com>, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "tram-chairs@ietf.org" <tram-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud@ietf.org>, "Asveren, Tolga" <tasveren@rbbn.com>, "tram@ietf.org" <tram@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Gonzalo S, could you please give me a status update on this? Thanks, Gonzalo On 19-Feb-19 20:13, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) wrote: > Hi Gonzalo - > > We have made a decision on the PADDING but are still working through some of the comments raised in DISCUSS. We hope to have this finished after finalizing STUN, which should be very close. > > Cheers, > > Gonzalo > >> On Feb 18, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Gonzalo S, >> >> what is the current status of this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gonzalo >> >> On 18-Jan-19 20:12, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) wrote: >>> Thanks, Spencer. We will proceed with bringing the definition of >>> PADDING into the current draft. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gonzalo >>> >>>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF >>>> <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Gonzalo, >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:05 AM Gonzalo Camarillo >>>> <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com >>>> <mailto:gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What is the next step here? >>>> >>>> Gonzalo >>>> >>>> On 13-Dec-18 16:27, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: >>>>> Hi, Simon, >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:12 AM Simon Perreault >>>>> <Simon.Perreault@logmein.com >>>> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com >>>> <mailto:Simon.Perreault@logmein.com>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> - Pull the definition of PADDING into this document. Declare >>>> that >>>>> we've gathered sufficient experience with PADDING that it now >>>>> warrants being elevated to Standards Track. That is, it's been >>>>> proven to work.____ >>>>> >>>>> __ __ >>>>> >>>>> This is plausible. It solves the first-order problem. ____ >>>>> >>>>> __ __ >>>>> >>>>> I note that RFC 5780 defined a number of new attributes. Is >>>> pulling >>>>> PADDING forward the right thing to do, or are there others that >>>>> would also qualify (so, perhaps a status change for RFC >>>> 5780)? ____ >>>>> >>>>> __ __ >>>>> >>>>> I don’t think the others have been implemented much, so >>>> that’s why I >>>>> think only pulling PADDING makes sense. If I remember >>>> correctly, I >>>>> only implemented PADDING in Numb (I don’t have access to the >>>> source >>>>> code anymore so can’t be sure).____ >>>>> >>>>> __ __ >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else with an opinion? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's helpful information. >>>>> >>>>> We should wait for anyone else with information to weigh in, but >>>> if it's >>>>> correct that the other experimental attributes haven't been >>>> implemented >>>>> and deployed in a way that would provide guidance for >>>> standards-track >>>>> use, I think defining PADDING in this document makes more sense >>>> to me >>>>> than adding a downref to an experimental RFC that we wouldn't >>>> consider >>>>> if the reference was using anything except PADDING. >>>> >>>> >>>> No one has objected in the past month (which included holidays, but I >>>> would have asked this question with a week or two timeout, if the >>>> holidays had not been coming up). >>>> >>>> I think bringing the definition of PADDING into the current draft is >>>> the right thing to do. >>>> >>>> If TRAM people thought that the other experimental attributes in RFC >>>> 5780 don't have enough implementation experience to justify moving >>>> them past Experimental status, changing the status of RFC 5780 to >>>> Historic might be appropriate at some point, but that's not related to >>>> the conversation we're having now, and I haven't asked a question >>>> about that, so I'll ignore that for now. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help with this. >>>> >>>> Spencer >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Spencer >>>>> >>>>> ____ >>>>> >>>>> __ __ >>>>> >>>>> Simon____ >>>>> >>>> >>> >
- [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-st… Adam Roach
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Simon Perreault
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Simon Perreault
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Felipe Garrido (fegarrid)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Felipe Garrido (fegarrid)
- Re: [tram] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-tra… Adam Roach