Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IETF protocol interaction
Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com> Wed, 05 January 2022 19:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IETF protocol interaction
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On Jan 5, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com> wrote: > > transferring responsibility from an issuer to a subject of a VC For the eleventeenth time, the SUBJECT of a VC has NO CONTROL over anything to do with that VC. The only entities with control of any kind are the Issuer, the Holder(s), and the Verifier. In the wilderness of the World Wide Web, ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. (This is not so different from the wilderness of paper-space.) I could Issue a VC today, with you, Adrian, as the Subject, which contains anything I care to say about you. I could say that you, Adrian, are the 14th moon orbiting Sol III (a/k/a the third planet orbiting our sun, a/k/a Planet Earth). This is not actually a fact, of course, but I may nonetheless Assert it, and I may do so in a VC, which simply allows anyone to Verify that I did in fact Issue that Assertion within that VC. I could Issue this VC with or without the knowledge of you, the Subject, to any Holder of my choosing, who may Present it to any Holder or Verifier of *their* choosing, without any alert to you, the Subject. There is *nothing* that the CCG nor the VCWG nor the IETF nor the UN nor the USGovt nor any other entity can do to prevent me from doing so. The USGovt *may* pass laws that impose penalties upon me or others who make such untrue assertions in VCs, but, to date, they have not, and there would be some lengthy freedom of speech litigation if such were enacted and someone then attempted enforcement -- and this is the *most* possible path to such restrictions. Your various efforts will have much greater effect, perhaps even delivering the results you want, if you digest this, and work it into your various writings and excoriations of the various WGs and CGs and other audiences you address. Failure to integrate this reality into your output will only lead to frustration on all sides, and failure to reach any of your declared goals. I believe that some of your efforts have value. (I don't know the totality of your efforts, so cannot say this about everything you will do or have done.) I would like to see these benefit the world. I do not believe that will happen if you continue to ignore the hard-won vocabulary developed by the CCG, VCWG, DIDWG, and related efforts. Be seeing you, Ted -- A: Yes. http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html | Q: Are you sure? | | A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. | | | Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? Ted Thibodeau, Jr. // voice +1-781-273-0900 x32 Senior Support & Evangelism // mailto:tthibodeau@openlinksw.com // http://twitter.com/TallTed OpenLink Software, Inc. // http://www.openlinksw.com/ 20 Burlington Mall Road, Suite 322, Burlington MA 01803 Weblog -- http://www.openlinksw.com/blogs/ Community -- https://community.openlinksw.com/ LinkedIn -- http://www.linkedin.com/company/openlink-software/ Twitter -- http://twitter.com/OpenLink Facebook -- http://www.facebook.com/OpenLinkSoftware Universal Data Access, Integration, and Management Technology Providers
- [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IETF p… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Bob Wyman
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… MXS Insights
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Ted Thibodeau Jr
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Alan Karp
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Bob Wyman
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Bob Wyman
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Bron Gondwana
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Leif Johansson
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Mark Lizar
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Mark Lizar
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Leif Johansson
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Leif Johansson
- Re: [GNAP] Human rights perspective on W3C and IE… Adrian Gropper