Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes
"Daniel R. Tobias" <dan@tobias.name> Wed, 09 September 2009 00:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes
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On 8 Sep 2009 at 17:14, David Booth wrote: > You seem to have missed the point. A string like > "http://websockets.net/" is not *intrinsically* tied to the Web Sockets > protocol any more than the string "wss: is. It only becomes tied to the > Web Sockets protocol if the social entity that has the *authority* to > decree such a link does so. In the case of "wss:", that authority > belongs to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). In the case > of "http://websockets.net/" that authority belongs to the owner of > websockets.net. (See Architecture of the World Wide Web section > 2.2.2.1: > http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#def-uri-ownership ) > The principle is *exactly* the same. Not really, to me at least. That would be like saying that because you own that particular horse, you can declare its tail to be a leg even if the general community of experts in horses and biology in general have a definition of legs that it doesn't meet. Since I own the dan.info domain, I get to define what any particular URI within it (or its subdomains), like http://dan.info/FooBarBaz/ or http://foo.bar.baz.dan.info/Some.Silly.Stuff, resolves to under the HTTP protocol (or whatever other protocol might be referenced in the URI scheme, like https://dan.info/Something.Else or ftp://dan.info/OtherJunk/). I can make it resolve to a picture of me, a picture of a horse, a political rant, a redirect to a different URI, a 404 Not Found error, or not resolve at all because the hostname has no DNS record. It doesn't, however, give me the right or power to insist that the definition of the "http" scheme or its associated protocol doesn't apply to my URIs, and instead those particular URIs should be resolved using my own "FooBarBaz" protocol. Even if the page that is retrieved under a HTTP fetch of the document at the URI says "This URI is intended to be resolved under FooBarBaz instead of HTTP", that doesn't make it so, any more than writing "This sentence is written in French" makes it be in French instead of English. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Křištof Želechovski
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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