Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes
David Booth <david@dbooth.org> Wed, 09 September 2009 14:17 UTC
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On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 21:13 -0400, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > I wonder if the "HTTP Uber Alles" crowd, if they were active 20 years > ago, would be insisting that everything, including that newfangled > HTTP protocol, be expressed in the form of a Gopher address, or > perhaps FTP or Telnet, or maybe an e-mail address with the standard, > adopted by the owner of the address, that the subject line contain > the actual protocol intended to be used? > > I also wonder if, should their side win all its battles, 1000 years > from now all URIs in use will be at least 1000 characters long, of > which at least 800 of these characters will be fossilized deadwood of > obsolete protocols that are preserved as magic incantations to begin > a URI. So they'll be something like: > > http://ipp.solarsystem.net/earth/galacticgateway.net/andromeda/tachyon > .protocol.net/ ...[snip]... /actualsite.actualgalaxy/path-in-site > > where "ipp.solarsystem.net", under "http", is the magic indicator of > the InterPlanetaryProtocol that became dominant in 2067, and was > followed by the actual address being reached by that protocol, > starting with its home planet, but then "galacticgateway.net" within > "earth" became the magic string to indicate that you are actually > using the InterGalacticProtocol which became dominant in 2152, and > similarly the "tachyon.protocol.net" signifies the Tachyon Protocol > that caught on around 2272. > > User agent identifiers for the browsers people use with their 31st > century protocols are similarly long and convoluted, beginning with > "Mozilla/5.0" and containing references to MSIE, Gecko, and various > other browser names and codenames that were trendy at some point or > other over the millennium. History is riddled with discarded protocols, the proponents of which naively thought that *their* protocol was so important that they needed to invent a whole new naming scheme for it. If the Tachyon Protocol does become dominant in 2272 it will be a simple matter to define a new URI scheme, so that Tachyon URIs can be shortened henceforth. (That's the *easy* part. The hard part was convincing the 186,000 makers of nearly 4.2 trillion devices to *implement* the Tachyon Protocol.) But until that point, there is greater value in layering the Tachyon Protocol on top of the dominant protocol, whether that happens to be HTTP or the InterPlanetaryProtocol. There is nothing intrinsically special about HTTP. What matters is just that it is so widely implemented. That's what the network effect is all about. -- David Booth, Ph.D. Cleveland Clinic (contractor) Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of Cleveland Clinic.
- [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Greg Wilkins
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Chris Anderson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Greg Wilkins
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes David Orchard
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Toby Inkster
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Křištof Želechovski
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes John Kemp
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Joseph A Holsten
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Joseph A Holsten
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Joseph A Holsten
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Toby Inkster
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Toby Inkster
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Křištof Želechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Křištof Želechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Infinity Linden
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Lloyd Wood
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson