Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes
Toby Inkster <mail@tobyinkster.co.uk> Wed, 09 September 2009 11:05 UTC
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:05:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes
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On 9 Sep 2009, at 01:43, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > Not really, to me at least. That would be like saying that because > you own that particular horse, you can declare its tail to be a leg > even if the general community of experts in horses and biology in > general have a definition of legs that it doesn't meet. To call a horse's tail a leg would be wrong, because there is an established definition for what a horse's leg is. Taking a word which already has a meaning and recycling it to mean something else causes ambiguity. Conversely, creating a new word to describe an existing concept that already has a perfectly good name risks confusion too. But what we're talking about is a using a brand new name which has never existed before (URLs beginning with "http://websockets.net/" or some other currently unregistered domain name) to describe a brand new thing which also has never existed before (Web Sockets). > Since I own the dan.info domain, [...] It doesn't, however, give me > the right or > power to insist that the definition of the "http" scheme or its > associated protocol doesn't apply to my URIs, and instead those > particular URIs should be resolved using my own "FooBarBaz" protocol. No, it doesn't. It *does* however give you the right and power to *allow* your URIs to be accessed by non-HTTP protocols too, and to promote that fact. HTTP still applies to your URIs, but FooBarBaz does too. HTTP 1.x is only one possible protocol that can be used to resolve URIs beginning with "http://". A user agent is free to choose other protocols instead. In practice, using HTTP 1.x is often a last- resort: most user agents implement a proprietary local disk based protocol to resolve URIs, only falling back to HTTP if that fails. (i.e. they implement caching.) Software that understands your protocol will recognise the URI and handle it via your protocol. Software which doesn't will be none the wiser and simply attempt to handle the URI via HTTP. -- Toby A Inkster <mailto:mail@tobyinkster.co.uk> <http://tobyinkster.co.uk>
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Greg Wilkins
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Chris Anderson
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Mark Nottingham
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Roy T. Fielding
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Jamie Lokier
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Toby Inkster
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Daniel R. Tobias
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Kristof Zelechovski
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes David Booth
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Křištof Želechovski
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- Re: [Uri-review] ws: and wss: schemes Ian Hickson
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- Re: [Uri-review] [hybi] ws: and wss: schemes Julian Reschke
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