Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 02 May 2018 03:25 UTC
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To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com>
Cc: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, L.Svensson@dnb.de, caterina.lupo@gmail.com, enrico.francesconi@ittig.cnr.it, john-ietf@jck.com, juha.hakala@helsinki.fi, pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com, urn@ietf.org
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No objections here! On 4/30/18 11:08 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Thanks for this, Dale: this seems like a reasonable way forward to me, > at this time. > Do others agree? > > Barry > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Dale R. Worley <worley@ariadne.com > <mailto:worley@ariadne.com>> wrote: > > My apologies for not working on this earlier. > > The current draft of "urn-lex" is draft-spinosa-urn-lex-12. People have > criticized its proposed URN system in many ways, but it seems to me that > most of the criticisms are "bibliographic", they concern good ways to > create identifiers for written works. As such, the IETF is not a good > forum for correcting most of those problems. > > My proposal is that we implement "rough consensus and running code" -- > obtain a usable registration of the "lex" URN namespace so that the > authors and ITTIG can put the "lex" URNs into practice. The process of > using the URNs will educate the authors regarding the correct resolution > of the various problems, and will likely cause them to later submit a > revised registration. > > That is, the registration we create at this time will be understood to > be experimental in nature. > > In order to be suitable as an "experimental" registration, there are a > few problems that must be resolved: > > 1. The URN syntax must conform to the generic URN syntax. > > 2. The requirements of uniqueness and persistence must be met. (That > is, any URN designates at most one resource, and the resource that it > designates must not change over time. However, it is permissible to > have multiple URNs designate the same resource.) > > 3. The process or authority that assigns each URN must be well-defined. > > Item 1 is taken care of, in that the syntax in -12 conforms (as far as I > can tell) to the URN syntax in RFC 8141. > > Item 2 is the responsibility of the Jurisdictional Registrars, in the > same way that the naming authorities of many other URN namespaces are > responsible for uniqueness and persistence. > > Item 3 requires that a registry of jurisdiction codes and Jurisdictional > Registrars be maintained. Section 11.2 of the -12 draft proposes that > IANA maintain the registry. Given the experimental nature of the URN > registration, it seems to me to be premature to involve IANA, especially > since the principles that the Designated Export must implement are > likely to change over time. Instead, it seems to me that the best > choice for registrar is ITTIG-CNR, the proposer and developer of the URN > namespace. > > When the namespace definition is transitioned to a non-experimental > status (including fixing a good set of policies to assign jurisdiction > codes), the registry can be transferred to IANA to implement the proven > policies. > > Following this path requires only small changes for -13, viz., updating > section 11.2. > > Dale > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Archived discussions: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn/current/msg03828.html > 16 Nov 2017 > "urn:lex draft v. 12" > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn/current/msg03811.html > starting 20 Sep 2017 > "Request for new URN namespace review: LEX" > Message-Id: > <1505909590.1544977.1112321704.5FEB92F9@webmail.messagingengine.com > <mailto:1505909590.1544977.1112321704.5FEB92F9@webmail.messagingengine.com>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn-nid/current/msg01270.html > starting 29 Apr 2014 > "Publication request for draft-spinosa-urn-lex" > Message-Id: > <CALaySJJk5YiCQZqt6WoWkqfAzi2A04HEAH=vG0pVAy8e45N5aQ@mail.gmail.com > <mailto:vG0pVAy8e45N5aQ@mail.gmail.com>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn-nid/current/msg01204.html > starting 27 Mar 2013 > "Application for a formal URN NID" > Message-Id: <23A64284-6B03-4B24-B680-54A61E96BECA at ittig.cnr.it > <http://ittig.cnr.it>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn-nid/current/msg01059.html > 15 Oct 2009 > "URN LEX Namespace submission" > > -- > Barry > -- > Barry Leiba (barryleiba@computer.org <mailto:barryleiba@computer.org>) > http://internetmessagingtechnology.org/
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Dale R. Worley
- [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Dale R. Worley
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Barry Leiba
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Hakala, Juha E
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Dale R. Worley
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Enrico Francesconi
- Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex Dale R. Worley