Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, "uta@ietf.org" <uta@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >10% is a pretty fat long tail. The people I know who run production mail >systems are much more concerned about receiving all of the real mail than >rejecting spam earlier. There's also a near-infinite amount of embedded and IoT that uses email to send out alerts of abnormal conditions, or even just routine status updates. Getting all that switched to TLS is going to take the lifetime of the equipment, and possibly the lifetime of its replacement as well. Peter.
- [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Pro… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Margolis
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Franck Martin
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- [Uta] Deprecating "Opportunistic TLS" (not) Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John R Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann