Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
Alice Wonder <alice@domblogger.net> Tue, 08 January 2019 15:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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On 1/8/19 6:57 AM, John Levine wrote: > In article <855a7d10-2af6-4f6b-148a-8c2f6d75960c@domblogger.net> you write: >> MX servers would not be violating RFC if they rejected plain text >> connection attempts (over 90% of which these days are spam). > > 10% is a pretty fat long tail. The people I know who run production > mail systems are much more concerned about receiving all of the real > mail than rejecting spam earlier. Yes, I am NOT proposing it because I know it wouldn't fly, but it is what I wish for. I simply expressed it to let the person with Port 26 suggestion know that I too wish for TLS everywhere. I know in real world it won't happen even though I would very much like it. What would happen, it would end up being an RFC that is ignored and thus serve no purpose. Maybe someday, but not now.
- [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Pro… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Margolis
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Franck Martin
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- [Uta] Deprecating "Opportunistic TLS" (not) Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John R Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann