Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Tue, 08 January 2019 02:55 UTC
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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: Alice Wonder <alice@domblogger.net>, "uta@ietf.org" <uta@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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Subject: Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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Alice Wonder <alice@domblogger.net> writes: >I'm a privacy zealot So how would deprecating opportunistic TLS help in that regard? Peter.
- [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Pro… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Margolis
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Franck Martin
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- [Uta] Deprecating "Opportunistic TLS" (not) Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John R Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann