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Re: [v6ops] Thoughts on draft-byrne-v6ops-clatip-01

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Fri, 02 May 2014 04:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts on draft-byrne-v6ops-clatip-01
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> fec0::/10 was reserved way back in rfc 1884
> 
> 3879 and 4193 are contemporaneous activities. meany people on this list
> were present for them.
> 
> The fact that we did a bad job at something 20 years ago doesn't mean
> the problem that we were attempting to address went away.

I agree… People wanting to do NAT rather than learn how to do things better without it is an education problem which continues to persist to this day.

Owen

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