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Re: [v6ops] [OPSEC] Call for WG adoption - Recommendations on Filtering of IPv6 Packets Containing IPv6 Extension Headers

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Tue, 14 October 2014 06:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [OPSEC] Call for WG adoption - Recommendations on Filtering of IPv6 Packets Containing IPv6 Extension Headers
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On 10/13/2014 10:33 PM, joel jaeggli wrote:
> On 10/13/14 1:03 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/2014 12:24 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> ...
>>> Exactly. I believe this draft, and the options draft, are *exactly* what
>>> the IETF should do (and why we have an E in our name instead of an S;
>>> we are not the Internet Standards Task Force). If our standards are
>>> unrealistic, we should be the ones to do something about it...
>>
>> If it's that our standards are unrealistic, it would be useful to
>> address this as changes to the standards.
> 
> It's not entirely unrealistic to expect a consensus about observed
> reality to emerge from ops before it evolves into protocol maintenance.

Observed reality doesn't include recommendations.

And if observed reality requires consensus, I doubt you're describing
anything that involves either observation or reality.

Joe

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