Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 to ISPs)
Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org> Wed, 17 November 2010 07:26 UTC
Return-Path: <cdl@asgaard.org>
X-Original-To: v6ops@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E849F3A6891 for <v6ops@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:26:35 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.037
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p7DZFX9hX-UL for <v6ops@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:26:35 -0800 (PST)
Received: from asgaard.org (ratatosk.asgaard.org [204.29.150.73]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6593A688A for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:26:34 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [10.233.1.78] (unknown [110.140.152.139]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E189DCF8E; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:27:17 +0000 (UTC)
References: <C9012E21.BE148%Jonne.Soininen@nsn.com> <475FED03-071D-47E1-8FA8-A28656E05784@asgaard.org> <AANLkTi=s1XNeJep2JqhpjC4V7Nuhnwqv+JxYa6ueYiRG@mail.gmail.com> <D0BFB338-F661-4F54-ADB6-3990875DBD52@cdl.asgaard.org> <AANLkTikh+QXTZLkfY3Wak0Eo+P2JLgvQmM_ScSMDjUAB@mail.gmail.com> <519E7725-03BC-4DAA-BF97-3CB8D6CBEED2@cdl.asgaard.org> <AANLkTim9W+y+v19VFgAmG4nmC7XXqdxj_4rqLbKxhDd1@mail.gmail.com> <B48D6F6A-2C97-4FA1-BADD-B67ACB8711D5@cdl.asgaard.org> <m2hbfgbki1.wl%randy@psg.com>
In-Reply-To: <m2hbfgbki1.wl%randy@psg.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8B117)
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Message-Id: <D7499E80-DBEF-49C3-9D17-2D4478940EB1@asgaard.org>
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117)
From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:27:19 +1100
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <ietf@cdl.asgaard.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 to ISPs)
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:26:36 -0000
Actually, you will have similar problems with non v6 customer equipment (ie ce ewuipment, once you run out of v4, unless you have some plans other than pure dual-stack -- Pardon the typos - sent from a silly keyboard On 17/11/2010, at 16:13, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >> The operators are at fault here, but guess what, so are the rest of >> us. We spent WAY too much time discussing the PERFECT transition >> mechanism, rather than a suite of WORKABLE transition mechanisms to >> deal with runout (which is different than a clean dual-stack world). > > s/the operators/some operators/ > > i am not saying our financial folk saw the great benefit of our rolling > ipv6 in the late '90s, but we bit the bullet and paid the price. it was > a choice. other operators made other choices. > > those providers who placed a higher value on the short term, have been > delaying as long as possible, will continue to delay, and the price they > pay will be higher. and the sales folk of those who have not delayed > plan to happily educate those providers' customers on the great customer > benefits of nat444444. > > these were business decisions. this is all about business. > > randy >
- [v6ops] Heads up Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ronald Bonica
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Dave Thaler
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up (NAT444 & IESG, IANA, ARIN..… John Curran
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Soininen, Jonne (NSN-FI/Espoo)
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… STARK, BARBARA H (ATTLABS)
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… STARK, BARBARA H (ATTLABS)
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Marco Hogewoning
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Lindqvist Kurt Erik
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Chris Donley
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Jason Lin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Jason Lin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Lindqvist Kurt Erik
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… bill manning
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Leo Vegoda
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Michael Lambert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea fo… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Ple… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Ple… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Antonio Querubin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Antonio Querubin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Joel Jaeggli