Re: [v6ops] 464xlat case study (was reclassify 464XLAT as standard instead of info)

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Thu, 28 September 2017 02:58 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:57:44 +0900
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] 464xlat case study (was reclassify 464XLAT as standard instead of info)
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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote:

> 464XLAT or more commonly deployed 44464XLAT is the worst of any
> combination. It keeps sessions state both at the CE/CLAT and the BR/PLAT.
> Building scalable stateful devices is hard and expensive. And in the case
> of IPv4 sharing mechanisms unnecessary.
>

Many would feel that that's working as intended, and that the role of the
technology is *not* to deliver the highest-possible quality IPv4
experience. The role of the technology is to *unblock IPv6-only* by
providing  *compatibility mode* IPv4 service. In practice that turns out to
be a good incentive for app developers to upgrade to IPv6. That incentive
is not present in dual-stack networks.