Re: [vmeet] Stockholm

"Wes Beebee (wbeebee)" <> Tue, 28 July 2009 17:48 UTC

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It seemed like just a normal phone call on my end today in the WebEx

Yesterday, I had used Skype to Iljitsch's PC and I encountered audio
distortion and call-drop problems with the Homegate BOF - and found that
I had to resort to listening to the recording afterwards to understand
what was going on.  Thanks for posting the audio!

However, I had no problem with WebEx today from my side.  I set up my
Cisco camera so that I could broadcast video during my presentation.
The buttons for forward and backward movement of the slides were a
little small, but with some practice, I was able to go to the next slide
very easily.  Most importantly, WebEx has the capability to record
sessions (video, audio, slides, etc) for playback later.  I hope those
who set up the session utilized this feature and will post the

>From what I understand, people remotely heard a faint echo when I talked
- due to the sound being fed back into the microphones - but I didn't
hear any echos on my side, so I must have had echo cancellation when it
came back to me.  Also, even though I'm in Boxborough, MA and the other
side was Stockholm, I didn't notice much of a delay in question/answer
from my side.  Perhaps this was because people were very polite, waited
their turn, and did not talk over each other.

Fred Baker set up the session a day in advance and sent the WebEx
session details out to me a day prior to the meeting, so that I could
make sure that everything was set up from my end.  I had given him the
slides last Thursday, and he had already uploaded them to WebEx before
my session started - so everything was in order.

I think one of the keys to a successful WebEx session is to plan
everything and set up everything in advance to the actual meeting - so
that you can focus on the IETF discussion/presentation/questions and not
on the conferencing technology.

All in all, I think we had a very pleasant, useful and productive

- Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolin Latze [] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:14 AM
To: Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
Cc: Scott Lawrence; Russ Housley;
Subject: Re: [vmeet] Stockholm

Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote:
> I'm presenting remotely in v6ops tomorrow.  Hopefully, these problems 
> will be worked out by the time I need to present.
Seems to work pretty good. What is your impression on the remote side?

> - Wes
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On Behalf

> Of Scott Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:28 AM
> To: Russ Housley
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [vmeet] Stockholm
> On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 02:02 -0400, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Only Dispatch and V6Ops have remote presenters that are going to use 
>> WebEx.  We hope to make more use of this capability in the future, 
>> but
>> the needed technical information to connect to the meeting room 
>> system
>> was not available to us before we got on site.  So, we are only going

>> to focus on the two sessions that need to support remote presenters.
> I was one of those remote presenters (the DISPATCH session).  I 
> decided to cancel my presentation rather than attempt it remotely.
> This was only in part due to the difficulties in being remote, but 
> they were a factor: in particular, the total lack of information on 
> how remote participation would work, what I would need at my end, and 
> the fact that WebEx won't work from my normal Linux work environment.

> I was not able to find any information at all (despite repeated 
> requests) on how I could test anything in advance.
> There were other contributing factors - I'm not blaming my decision to

> cancel on the poor support for remote presentation, but it was very 
> poor.
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