Re: [vmeet] timeframe
"Brian Rosen" <br@brianrosen.net> Fri, 15 May 2009 16:18 UTC
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What I want is a physical light on a pole that lights up when a webex or other "hand raise" occurs. I'd also like, but don't expect, a sensor on the microphones to reflect someone standing at the mic as a hand raise in WebEx. The former allows the chair, or any other participant in the room, to see at a glance that a remote participant is queued at the "mic". The latter allows a remote participant to know that there is a local participant queued. The latter could be integrated into the "who is at the mic" mechanism (?RFID tag) that has been tried. I think we could hack the light on a pole fairly easily if WebEx has an API. Does it? Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: vmeet-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:vmeet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Dave Cridland > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:06 PM > To: Doug Otis; Dave CROCKER; IETF remote participation meeting services > discussion; John Leslie > Subject: Re: [vmeet] timeframe > > On Fri May 15 03:27:15 2009, Doug Otis wrote: > > For smaller groups, WebEx Meeting using a telephone bridge works > > well, but it does not offer a Q & A window. Raising a hand icon > > is only seen by the presenter. This will likely frustrate > > participants who would like to make a point, but feel ignored by a > > likely distracted host. A question queue seems an important > > requirement to assure participants they are being given a fair > > chance. Otherwise, the floor is likely to ceded to those willing > > to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. The chat and > > window control for remote participants does not compare favorably > > to a simpler jabber client. On the other hand, the polling > > feature is very nice and allows participation in "hums." > > FWIW, some existing XMPP clients use the MUC presence to signal > voting, and they could just as easily signal a "I'd like the floor". > However, the current usage of the MUC rooms as a "back channel", for > side-discussions, makes actual floor control tricky - XEP-0045 does > include "voice requests" and control, and the implementation the IETF > uses supports these, I believe, but I'd consider removal of voice to > be a problem, unless each working group had both a "presentation" MUC > *and* a backchannel, which becomes unweidly quite quickly. > > Incidentally, my guess would be that a voting/hand-raising > specification or two could be written, and implemented, by Stockholm, > in cross-platform clients. If you want this to happen, please say so, > and I'll be happy to drive this forward. > > There's scope for signalling other things through MUC, too, but > anything that requires server mediation has a longer turn-around > time, obviously. To get a client-client signalling mechanism going > only needs, after all, one client developer to bite. > > Dave. > -- > Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net > - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ > - http://dave.cridland.net/ > Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet
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