RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants

[Michael Hammer <[e-mail]>]

At 06:52 PM 12/15/2003 +0200, [e-mail] wrote:


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext Michael Hammer [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: 15.December.2003 18:24
> > To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP-MSW/Helsinki)
> > Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> >
> >
> > At 04:45 PM 12/15/2003 +0200, [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ext Rosen, Brian [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > > > Sent: 15.December.2003 16:17
> > > > To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP-MSW/Helsinki); [e-mail]
> > > > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think that this capability could be deferred.
> > >
> > >Noted.
> > >
> > > > I think it would be acceptable to allow a user
> > > > to hide himself, and I think we need to allow
> > > > one user to hide another (because of the PC app
> > > > for a dumb phone problem).  I think getting into
> > > > permission issues is complicated.
> > > >
> > > > I'm puzzled by "the list of hidden users is
> > > > manipulated by a privileged user..." I think that
> > > > such a statement opens a large box of complication
> > > > in specification.  I would prefer, for now, to
> > > > not have any specified behavior for anything
> > > > like a privileged user.
> > >
> > >You can't have everyone manipulating the policy. We can define a
> > >privileged user to be the moderator for now.
> >
> > But, you should be able to pass the baton on who is the moderator to
> > another participant.  I am taking that the conference creator
> > might not be
> > the conference moderator.  I looked in the privileges section
> > and am not
> > sure whether being the moderator is considered a privilege.  Is a
> > requirement needed along the lines of:
> >
> > It must be possible to set, modify, delete the assignment of
> > a moderator to
> > the conference.
> > ??
>
>At the moment it is assumed that the creator is the moderator. Moderating 
>a conference involves manipulating the policy. They might be different 
>levels of moderators, depending on what the creator assigns to different 
>users as privileges. Examples of privileges include who can manipulate 
>dial-out list, who can manipulate dial-in list, who can manipulate 
>conference info, who can expel users, who can manipulate floor control 
>policy, etc.
>
>As Brian noted a couple of times, we don't want to get into privileges at 
>the moment due to complexity.

So if moderator is a privilege, then I take it there will be no mention of 
moderators.

Mike


>Regards,
>Hisham
>
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > >/Hisham
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [e-mail]
>[mailto:[e-mail]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:55 AM
> > > > To: [e-mail]
> > > > Subject: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is in reference to requirements REQ-A7 and REQ-E10 in
> > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt
> > > >
> > > >    REQ-A7: It SHOULD be possible to participate in a conference as a
> > > >    hidden user. Hidden user is present in a conference, but
> > > > his presence
> > > >    is not revealed.
> > > >
> > > >    REQ-E10: It MUST be possible to allow and disallow hidden
> > > > membership
> > > >    in a conference.
> > > >
> > > > Should a conference policy, using CPCP, specify if a user can
> > > > be hidden? This means that the conference state package does
> > > > not report the participation on the hidden user. CPCP is used
> > > > to identify which users are hidden. The list of hidden users
> > > > is only manipulated by a privileged user such as the moderator.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Hisham
> > > >
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