Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH
Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Thu, 30 January 2014 15:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH
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(As [the other] Chair) Alexander, do you support (or object to) adoption of POSH as a working group item? Keep in mind that adoption doesn't imply the draft is complete or even correct, just that it's the best way forward. I expect we would continue this discussion, among other technical discussions. Thanks! Ben. On Jan 30, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote: > Am 30.01.2014 13:25, schrieb Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr): >> (As chair) >> >> JSON comments are *out of scope* for the XMPP working group. Please take >> your suggestions to the JSON working group if you think you have an >> approach that can be adopted. > > Hmm, so you are going to define or adopt a standard which lacks the possibility to use comments (either to provide human readable descriptions or as a way to quickly deactivate something)? > > I would't call this out of scope. If you adopt POSH without providing (defining) a way how to add comments to the JSON definitions, this will be a serious flaw (in my humble opinion). > > I'm not calling that the XMPP working group fixes that serious problem of JSON, I'm calling that they will add a sentence like "comments may start with a #) to the POSH standard or it's adoption if the working group is going to adopt it. You might call it a "variant" of JSON. > > Anyway, I've just wanted to provide a maybe useful comment for POSH and don't want to discuss JSON. > > Regards, > > Alexander Holler > >> >> >> On 1/30/14 11:54 AM, "Alexander Holler" <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 30.01.2014 10:13, schrieb Tobias Markmann: >>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Alexander Holler >>>> <holler@ahsoftware.de>wrote: >>> >>>> The JSON[2] spec referenced by JWK doesn't mention comments at all. I >>>> guess >>>> the JSON you'll use in JWK simply can't include any comments. >>> >>> Thats why I said POSH should define how comments shpuld be defined. >>> Almost any JSON parser provides a syntax for comments (e.g. using # or >>> //) and I'm unable to understand why comments in JSON aren't standardized. >>> >>> And if I read the draft for POSH, e.g. setion 8. shows why one (human) >>> would like to have comments. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alexander Holler >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmpp mailing list >>> xmpp@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > xmpp mailing list > xmpp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp
- [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Ben Campbell
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Philipp Hancke
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Matthew Wild
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Tobias Markmann
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Ben Campbell
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Alexander Holler
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Tobias Markmann
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Alexander Holler
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Alexander Holler
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Dave Cridland
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Ben Campbell
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Ben Campbell
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Alexander Holler
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Lance Stout
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Matt Miller
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Alexander Holler
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Kevin Smith
- Re: [xmpp] Consensus Call on Adoption of POSH Ben Campbell