Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up

[Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <[e-mail]>]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Jordi,

I have to respectfully disagree with you - obviously you don't  
remember some of the more "memorable" events, or you just weren't  
there.  While this wasn't the best meeting ever, it was far from the  
worst.  I also find it somewhat astounding that you are trying to  
punish the host because they didn't hand your your gift (the T-shirt)  
in a manner that you wanted.  That is, to say the least, an  
"interesting" behavior.  I wonder if you do the same for people who  
give you personal gifts?  If so, I would warn them in advance.

If I were planning to host in the future, given the traffic on this  
list from this meeting, I would take the following messages away:
1) Leave the hotel rooms on the hotel 4 Mbps DSL network - don't touch  
it, you'll get panned
2) Don't bring t-shirts or other giveaways, as people expect get the  
exact count of various sizes, even if they register at the meeting,  
and will grouse when the people staffing the table actually have other  
things to do (so you need some one who does nothing but babysit the  
table for the entire meeting).

Also, frankly, if I can walk out on a week hotel bill in Spain for no  
reason other than some surely behavior from the staff, the lack of tap  
water, the occasional cold shower, and having to "gasp" walk up and  
down the stairs because one of the elevators is down... I know I'm  
going to vacation in Spain... and never do business there.

Respectfully,
Chris



On 31 Jul 2008, at 09.41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years.
>
> And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it  
> is clear
> it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table  
> when
> they decide, without a previous announcement.
>
> Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being  
> fair and
> coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much  
> in many
> aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever
> attended. Of course, a personal view.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
>> From: Ole Jacobsen <[e-mail]>
>> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: Jordi Palet Martínez <[e-mail]>
>> Cc: <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up
>>
>> Jordi,
>>
>> I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved,
>> but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that
>> the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do.
>> In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social  
>> ticket,
>> that has been extended to "everyone" more recently.
>>
>> Ole
>>
>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
>> Cisco Systems
>> Tel: [phone]   Mobile: [phone]
>> E-mail: [e-mail]  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I  
>>> recall in
>>> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size  
>>> of the
>>> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each  
>>> size are
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the  
>>> registration
>>> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick  
>>> up the
>>> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm  
>>> sorry it is
>>> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to  
>>> go to the
>>> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially  
>>> because the
>>> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to  
>>> yyy", so
>>> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very  
>>> clearly "sorry,
>>> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly,
>>> otherwise, better don't do it".
>>>
>>> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was
>>> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold  
>>> do, but L
>>> or XL definitively not.
>>>
>>> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with  
>>> everybody.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jordi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Marcia Beaulieu <[e-mail]>
>>>> Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100
>>>> To: <[e-mail]>
>>>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up
>>>>
>>>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July  
>>>> 31,
>>>> 2008).  Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel- 
>>>> Lucent
>>>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available.
>>>>
>>>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday.
>>>>
>>>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alcatel-Lucent
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> 72attendees mailing list
>>>> [e-mail]
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************
>>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org
>>>
>>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 !
>>> http://www.ipv6day.org
>>>
>>> This electronic message contains information which may be  
>>> privileged or
>>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the
>>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient  
>>> be aware
>>> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents  
>>> of this
>>> information, including attached files, is prohibited.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 72attendees mailing list
>>> [e-mail]
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
>>>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************
> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org
>
> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 !
> http://www.ipv6day.org
>
> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged  
> or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of  
> the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient  
> be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the  
> contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 72attendees mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
>

- ---
李柯睿
Check my PGP key here:
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCB67593B




-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJIkgUKAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/rjIH/2a9V0qfnO7bxojwbygr8dYN
0WGOtZlGIXruX6K+O7CK8jVyW8sPC1s0M2DEYS5UZPRIbeXAP2MiZTeA9/lODwzw
dJbgU/XOY3LxIWJIcyQLXzzqSWCyERSBuUc7OL9g6rfmUKZmS3Wu/qSTCEcXhG27
KBPHCr0n2jdlBLNCz/ss/DSHE2t3tlf6Q3LsUSBWdYklSAv/5sTa/s5eKBsRK/M3
3AT1ls8cfTViLQVE/DjWyj3Q53Za/NQACzwQ49A4BcMzl1Ii+FaUIWsYouYtCIez
d11/q9tiwzd/M+aSAMEkpczI5m0MvodLldxmod0RKLuPJ+Gv4ltJYOZmO7fNffg=
=fqMw
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
_______________________________________________
72attendees mailing list
[e-mail]
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees