Re: [76attendees] How to pronounce "Hiroshima"

Dae Young KIM <dykim6@gmail.com> Thu, 05 November 2009 20:00 UTC

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:00:19 +0900
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  >> In fact, any foul pronunciation of Japanese word would put you in too
odd a situation.

I'm sorry, I meant to say 'would NOT'.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Dae Young KIM <dykim6@gmail.com> wrote:

> In fact, any foul pronunciation of Japanese word would put you in too odd a
> situation. Mostly, they already know what you're saying.
>
> And perhaps in contrast to western culture(??? am I right?), it would even
> seem strange for a foreigner to speak too fluent Japanese or Korean. Odd
> pronunciation is cute and more appealing(?), and they already know you must
> be in trouble and would be more ready to offer help.
>
> BTW, about ASCII.. did you know that the Korean characters, Hanguel, is one
> of the simplest and most effective phonetic script? A topic for a possibly
> future IETF in Corea. Now, it's about Japan and Hiroshima.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Rather than argue about how one might represent sounds in ASCII in a
>> manner that we can all agree on (difficult unless you use standard
>> special characters for such), may I humbly suggest that we use the
>> Internets which now actually support "multi-media" and "searching"
>> and you might find something like:
>>
>> http://www.forvo.com/word/hiroshima/
>>
>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2183342_pronounce-japanese-words.html
>>
>>
>> The "best" way to learn how things are pronounced is probably to just
>> listen to spoken Japanese, bring a little radio and listen to one of
>> the NHK stations that feature just "spoken" Japanese, be it lectures,
>> news etc. (You don't have to understand a single word to get a feel
>> for the way the language SOUNDS). There are probably Internet audio
>> streams for most of this too, local folks can chime in.
>>
>> Ole
>>
>>
>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
>> Cisco Systems
>> Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
>> E-mail: ole@cisco.com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> DY
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