Re: [arch-d] Proposed IAB program on Wholistic Human-Oriented Discussions on Identity Systems (WHODIS)

I do not see a reason to exclude device identity from this exercise at this
stage.
I think the goal of the program should be to collect, explore, and analyze
real-life identity use cases from the wider community.
This includes soliciting insights from both identity and non-identity
experts, ensuring thorough examination of all identity layers: user,
device, and workload.

Based on the findings, the program can then propose a set of actionable
recommendations, which may include process modifications, the establishment
of new working groups, and other relevant initiatives.

Regards,
 Rifaat

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 3:24 AM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, at 16:52, Eliot Lear wrote:
> >>  From my perspective, devices are relevant only to the extent that they
> are agents of or proxies for people.
> >
> > They all are, and the program text indicated that they were in scope.
>
> Hi Eliot,
>
> I carefully worded this and I think that your conception of this is
> different than mine.
>
> My phone is a physical device that is, most of the time, acting as an
> agent for me.  Same as my laptop.  In many cases, the identity of that
> device also acts as a proxy for my identity (such as when sites track me
> using my IP address, but let's not get into that).
>
> I don't agree that a humidity sensor in an office building fits either of
> those categories.  Or the whatsit that regulates the speed of an
> escalator.  Or the doodad that regulates the temperature in heated car
> seats.  Or the numerous other "devices" that might exist.  Sure, these
> devices all work toward human goals, but they are not an agent for a human
> in the direct sense that I intended. It is not useful to consider these a
> proxy for a human either.
>
> I explicitly want those devices left out of any human-oriented discussion
> of identity systems, not because they aren't relevant in some ways, but
> because the narrower goal is helpful in focusing the discussion.  We can
> simultaneously recognize that the universe is all connected, but not let
> ourselves get paralyzed by bringing all the things into all the discussions.
>
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