Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architecture discussion

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 02 April 2020 19:50 UTC

To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architecture discussion
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On 03-Apr-20 05:44, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
> (dropping the chirp list...)
> 
> On 02/04/2020 17:37, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>
>> I am complaining about the absence of a recurring, IAB organized
>> architecture-discuss/dispatch meeting slot at IETF meetings.

I don't think you should place any reliance on "meetings" in the traditional
sense for the coming few years. Whether the sort of thing you want can
happen in on-line meetings is less clear to me, since on-line meetings
require floor-control, which is not what you want in any sort of
wide-ranging blue-sky discussion.

<snip>

On 03-Apr-20 08:14, Melinda Shore wrote:

> FWIW, many years ago we had these discussions in the technical
> plenaries.  They were, as a rule, unproductive, which may be why
> they have fallen by the wayside.
> 
> I'm curious to know what you think would change if there were
> structured general architectural discussions.

I think that the most important architectural documents have generally
originated from inspired individuals, not from structured discussions.

Examples (intentionally ancient): 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc871
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc875

    Brian

[arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Jari Arkko
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… tony.li
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… John Levine
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Hutchison, David
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Bob Briscoe
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert