Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 02 April 2020 19:34 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)
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On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 11:14:46AM -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 4/2/20 7:27 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > We have this mode of operations in hundreds of conferences
> > including IRTF, we have it in IETF WGs for standards, we do
> > not have this for architectural discussions for the Internet.
>
> FWIW, many years ago we had these discussions in the technical
> plenaries. They were, as a rule, unproductive, which may be why
> they have fallen by the wayside.
I vaguely remember there was something, but i don't remember the format.
> I'm curious to know what you think would change if there were
> structured general architectural discussions.
Was it only presentations or also associated drafts ? Was the
material asked to be make available sufficiently long ago to
allow quality updates be prior review ? Was there an organized
attempt to get upfront or afterwards reviews ? Was there an associated
email discussion forum ? Was there the opportunity to follow up
across multiple such plenaries to refine the content ? Was
there somebody responsible trying to help with a dispatch style
mechanism to help get material further reviewed by other IETF/IRTF
groups that might hav emore interest ? Was there any attempt to
force authors to fold feedback into updated documents so that
final versions summarized not only author opinion but also community
feedback ? Just off the top of my head. There certainly a lot more
aspects.
I think we know a lot of the process steps that can help to make
discussions/presentations about these difficult topics more successful,
i don't think we experiment enough with them. Especially not on
what i think is the architecture track. We only have well working
tracks for research and standardization. Not architecture.
But architecture specifically could learn and experiment with a lot
of the mechanisms in the range from research conferences over to
IETF WGs.
Cheers
Toerless
> Melinda
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- [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Jari Arkko
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… tony.li
- Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… John Levine
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Hutchison, David
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
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