Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)
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> Right now, there is nothing stopping anybody from publishing
> drafts and contributing to (or, indeed, leading) architectural
> discussions in IETF working groups.  I'm not sure what
> inferences we should make from the fact that for the most part
> that's not happening now.


Well, we’ve tried that before. We’ve put in a great deal of time and effort to make architectural changes. And they were met 
with total indifference.

My takeaway from this is that the only time that change is welcome or even possible is when there is a great deal of 
(perceived) pain. The pain MUST be much much greater than the pain of change. Architectural improvement is not welcome.

The last time the IAB articulated that there was such a threat of pain was the ROAD conference in the early ‘90s. That
led to the architectural (non)change of IPv6.

Thus, until there is a serious architectural threat, the only thing to do is to sit quietly and wait for time to pass.

Regards,
Tony

[arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Jari Arkko
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… tony.li
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… John Levine
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Hutchison, David
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Bob Briscoe
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert