Re: [Asrg] Two ways to look at spam

At 01:19 PM 7/1/2003 -0400, Kee Hinckley wrote:

>At 1:37 AM -0400 6/29/03, Yakov Shafranovich wrote:
>>It seems to me that the members of the group are looking at the spam 
>>problem from two different angles:
>>
>>1. Network Abuse - some people including Barry Shain and Eric Brunner 
>>specifically, have been proposing that we look at the entire spam problem 
>>as one of network abuse. The Internet in general, and SMTP in particular, 
>>have been built as open systems trusting all network users to behave 
>>themselves. Spam is caused by those users abusing the network and its 
>>resources.
>
>I've been thinking about this every since Barry posted is "call every 
>phone" mail.  And it seems to me that there is another way to look at 
>solving the problem.  Or rather, not _solving_ the problem, but addressing it.
>
>How about technical solutions (and DCC is an example of this) for 
>detecting spam in progress.  In other words.  When some set of machines 
>start spewing millions of messages, why shouldn't there be a dynamically 
>early alert-system for detecting that.  Perhaps even one that could be 
>installed on gateway machines--not just mail servers?

Take a look at DShield.org and Incidents.org. This system collects firewall 
information from many servers worldwide. This would be a good example of 
what such possible system can do for spam.

Yakov  

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