Re: [Asrg] Two ways to look at spam
"Jon Kyme" <jrk@merseymail.com> Wed, 02 July 2003 15:27 UTC
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:26:11 +0100
> > > > You might say something more like > > positive_test(name_of_engine_1, engineargs, message) => noconsent > > positive_test(name_of_engine_2, engineargs, message) => consent > > etc... > > I guess someone could standardise this (using whatever language they > wanted), and there are some kinds of content filter (probably quite > simple things---the sort of thing that SIEVE can do, say) that we > could standardise on. That might be useful. Well no, this isn't really the kind of thing that sieve ( http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve/ ) is for - as I understand it. Indeed, somebody could standardise this - if somebody wanted to make it simple for MUA to talk to policy enforcement agents. > > It's not a solution to spam, though, because some things really are > things that can't be checked automatically, so the content filtering > will be imperfect. And (if it were to be standardised) we can expect > it to become more and more imperfect. > No - it isn't THE "Solution to Spam". However, you can plug A "solution to spam" right into it. positive_test(foolproof_spam_detector, engineargs, message) => noconsent It's one way of looking at part of a consent framework. -- _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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