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Terry Zink <tzink@terryzink.com> Fri, 15 February 2019 17:09 UTC

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From: Terry Zink <tzink@terryzink.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bimi] (non)desire for bimi
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Hi, Dave,

> Terry, in the context of usability design, language like "all you need
> is a checkbox" hasn't been credible for at least 35 years.

LOL!

Yes, I know. I phrased it that way on purpose - to oversimplify the discussion as if to say "All that's required is a simple way to disable it?"

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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 5:00 PM
To: Terry Zink; bimi@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bimi] (non)desire for bimi

On 2/14/2019 3:36 PM, Terry Zink wrote:
> It sounds to me like you're saying you want to turn off BIMI logos in an
> email client. All you need is a checkbox in the MUA?

Terry, in the context of usability design, language like "all you need
is a checkbox" hasn't been credible for at least 35 years.

d/

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