Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix to describe pools accessibility (was Re: Moving the WSON discussion forward)
"Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" <cyril.margaria@nsn.com> Thu, 14 July 2011 07:48 UTC
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From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" <cyril.margaria@nsn.com>
To: ext Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-networking.com>, ccamp@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix to describe pools accessibility (was Re: Moving the WSON discussion forward)
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Hi Greg, There is one thing that really bother me is to have resource block IDs with 16 bits With few motivation and without any definition in the WG-drafts if they are stable or not. The only statement I have seen is : "The RB identifier represents the ID of the resource block which is a 16 bit integer." I would expect a 32 bit stable ID that match existing IDs assignments in nodes. If a 32 bit ID is used the connectivity matrix as defined in general constraint can be used. Your opinion is that it should be a separate TLV in the WSON information, My opinion is that it could go in the general node connectivity, because it's part of the node connectivity. In the last couple of mail this did not change, I would be interested to hear other people opinions. Coming back to draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode resource block ids, this 16 ID was introduced in draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-01 (March 2009), I have looked in the mailing list (only the web interface) and I did not see any justification nor discussion on that topic. I may have missed something, Could you indicate : - should those ID be stable or not? - What is the motivation behind those 16 bit IDs? - What is the problem having 32 bit node unique ids? Best Regards > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Greg Bernstein > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:09 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix to describe > pools accessibility (was Re: Moving the WSON discussion forward) > > Hi Pierre, as previously stated: > > This change mixes information from "general constraints" with "wson > specific constraints" and hence goes against the decision made by the > CCAMP WG at the March 2009 San Francisco IETF. This proposed change > does not result in any space savings and results in an undesirable > mixing of separate concepts. All current WSON drafts include > separation of relatively "static" from more "dynamic" information, > hence this change is unnecessary. Hence you can take it off the table. > > Best Regards > Greg > > > On 7/13/2011 8:44 AM, PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) wrote: > > Hi Greg and CCAMPer's, > > > > As in the preceding mail which summarized the 3 main changes proposed > > by draft-peloso-ccamp-wson-ospf-oeo, become too big to be easily read > through, I've been splitting the 3 points in 3 different threads, this > one deals with change 2: > > Use of the connectivity matrix defined inside the node entity in > order to describe connectivity constraints between node-external links > and the resource pools. > > MOTIVATION: a/ to gather static information inside node entity (for > > OSPF-TE inside a LSA never flooded upon LSP updates). b/ to limit the > > number of connectivity representations introduced by current > > extensions (draft-ietf-rwa-info proposes similar TLVs in different > > LSAs) > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Pierre > > > > [SNIP] > > > >> -snip- > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > -- > =================================================== > Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp
- [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification for draft-pe… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification for draf… Greg Bernstein
- [CCAMP] Review of draft-peloso-ccamp-wson-ospf-oe… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Fatai Zhang
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notification fordraft… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Julien Meuric
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] TR: New Version Notificationfordraft-… Leeyoung
- [CCAMP] Moving the WSON discussion forward (Was R… Lou Berger
- Re: [CCAMP] Moving the WSON discussion forward (W… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] Moving the WSON discussion forward (W… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Moving the WSON discussion forward (W… Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [CCAMP] Moving the WSON discussion forward (W… Greg Bernstein
- [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource pool e… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix to d… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- [CCAMP] Change 3: Reduction of the scope of Resou… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 3: Reduction of the scope of R… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Julien Meuric
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 2: Use of connectivity matrix … Lou Berger
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… Greg Bernstein
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… t.petch
- Re: [CCAMP] Change 1: Introduction of resource po… Greg Bernstein