Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small subgroup question for draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-curve)
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small subgroup question for draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-curve)
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> On Apr 11, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Soatok Dreamseeker <soatok.dhole@gmail.com> wrote: > Your proposal is reasonable. > > Frankly, I was surprised to hear these arguments take place on a > cryptography forum, where anonymity experts are more plentiful than in > a random sample of the rest of the Internet. > > Briefly: The risk of anonymity towards misbehavior is not because of > anonymity itself, but the removal of social consequences. As you > touched upon, long-term pseudonyms are preferable in forums where > reputation matters to one-time or short-lived pseudonyms. > > Most of the participants on this forum do not know who Soatok is in > the government's perspective, nor would you be expected to care about > that. However, I do blog as Soatok, and my blog touches on > cryptography a lot. Additionally, I have open source cryptography > libraries (primarily written JS and PHP) on Github under this name. > You could say that my long-term pseudonym has "skin in the game". > > Thus, my proposal is simply to include a preference for long-term > pseudonyms over short-term pseudonyms within the "strong suggestion" > that Mike proposed. Yeah, preferring long-term pseudonyms over short-term definitely makes sense. And while I don’t pretend to be an arbiter of pseudonyms, Soatok has indeed published quite a bit under that name, and I don’t mean to demand that they out themselves. Also “real name” doesn’t necessarily mean “government name” anyway, unless you really really need it to for some legal reason, which I’m pretty sure we don't. Requiring that Moxie Marlinspike post as “Matthew Rosenfeld” seems plainly counterproductive. — Mike
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- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Daira Hopwood
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Christopher Wood
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf-cfr… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Russ Housley
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Richard Outerbridge
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Armando Faz
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… rsw
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Björn Haase
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… rsw
- [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small subg… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… rsw
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Riad S. Wahby
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Scott Arciszewski
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Daniel Franke
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Michael StJohns
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Henry de Valence
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Dan Harkins
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Squeamish Ossifrage
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Björn Haase
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Daniel Franke
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Colin Perkins
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Michael StJohns
- Re: [CFRG] Small subgroup question for draft-irtf… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Michael Sierchio
- [CFRG] Closure (was Re: Small subgroup question f… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … David Jacobson
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … Julia Hesse
- Re: [CFRG] Closure (was Re: Small subgroup questi… Armando Faz
- Re: [CFRG] Closure (was Re: Small subgroup questi… Hao, Feng
- Re: [CFRG] Closure (was Re: Small subgroup questi… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] thoughts on clearing the cofactor in h… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Daira Hopwood
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Riad S. Wahby
- [CFRG] (suggested language re mixing square roots… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Comment on draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-cur… Daira Hopwood
- Re: [CFRG] (suggested language re mixing square r… Daira Hopwood
- Re: [CFRG] (suggested language re mixing square r… Rene Struik
- Re: [CFRG] please use real names (was: Re: Small … isis agora lovecruft