Re: [Detnet] [mpls] [Pals] draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id (was RE: Please review the PALS/MPLS/DetNet Joint Session minutes)

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Subject: Re: [mpls] [Pals] draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id (was RE: Please review the PALS/MPLS/DetNet Joint Session minutes)


Bruno,



- again draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id can be extended to support in-stack data if needed (this has been expressed multiple times) i.e. if post-stack data is found not to be enough.


Extending your proposal to support in-stack data effectively puts us at draft-jags-mpls-ext-hdr-00, with the backward compatibility issues that we've discussed. That is, IMHO, no longer in the realm of acceptable risk.
[Bruno] Extending the proposal to add LSE requires signaling that the Egress support that capability. Solutions requiring a new SPL requires a similar signaling. In both cases, I don't think that this may be called a backward compatibility issue, if but so, I think the statement equally applies to other proposals defining a new SPL

--Bruno

Tony


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