Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-05.txt
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 06 February 2004 00:26 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Subject: Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-05.txt
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:22:35 -0600
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
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On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:59 PM, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > as an occasional network configurer, I think it seems like a pain in > the backside to have to configure two separate configuration tools > that speak two separate configuration protocols in order to get two > pieces of config info (the ipv4 address and the ipv6 address) to a > single application on a network client. > > and as an applications programmer, I think it's a pain in the > posterior to have to make two unrelated queries and get two unrelated > responses back, and having to use local configuration, tea leaves, > chicken entrails or scientific wild-assed guessing to figure out how > to combine them, just becaue my client software runs on a dual-stack > host. You are totally right. This sucks. The problem is that the alternative is even worse. This isn't even strictly an IPv4/IPv6 issue - consider what happens when you have two network interfaces that are configured by two different servers in two different administrative domains! Unfortunately, we haven't been able to think of a way to specify how DHCP devices should deal with this problem. It's easy to specify a scenario, and then say what should be done in that scenario, but it's hard to specify a set of rules that will work in all scenarios. Anyway, you have to support both protocols, because you might be on an IPv4-only or IPv6-only network, so even if we specified a way to configure your IPv4 stack with DHCPv6, you'd still have to implement a DHCPv4 client. :'( It's possible that when we have some real-world experience with this, we might have enough information to make a stab at specifying a general solution to this problem, but I don't think we do right now, and if we tried, we'd wind up in ten-years-later land. If you have an idea for a general solution, we'd all like to hear it, by the way. But please remember that we're not complete dummies, and try to think about six chess moves ahead rather than just stating an obvious, but wrong, idea, because we've probably already considered and discarded that idea. _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg
- [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-05.txt Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Vijayabhaskar A K
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Tim Chown
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Stig Venaas
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Mark Stapp
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- RE: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Vijayabhaskar A K
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Stig Venaas
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Robert Elz
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Vijayabhaskar A K
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-nisconfig-0… Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
- [dhcwg] Dual-stack hosts using DHCP (was Re: [dhc… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] Dual-stack hosts using DHCP (was Re: … Greg Daley
- RE: [dhcwg] Dual-stack hosts using DHCP (was Re: … Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] Dual-stack hosts using DHCP (was Re: … Tim Chown
- Re: [dhcwg] Dual-stack hosts using DHCP (was Re: … Stig Venaas