Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes available
"Dan Wing" <dwing@cisco.com> Tue, 17 November 2009 21:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes available
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Willis [mailto:dean.willis@softarmor.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:09 PM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: 'Jon Peterson'; 'Jiri Kuthan'; dispatch@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes available > > Dan Wing wrote: > >Jon said: > >>I do not find the requirement for NAT traversal unacceptable, > >>but I do > >>consider the requirement for media steering highly dubious at best. > > > > > > "Highly dubious" = nobody really does it? > > People do highly dubious stuff all the time; they have > unprotected sex, > they jump out of perfectly good airplanes, they vote for > Obama, they try > for a single-handed Atlantic crossing in a 6 meter sailboat with no > preparation, they try to implement RAI specifications from the RFC > without parallel testing against existing systems, and so on. > > The question is: Should we take the human urge to engage in highly > dubious practies like traffic steering into account when we write an > identity spec? If so, at what level of dubiousness (or > dubyaness, for the left-leaning) do we draw the line? Said another way: pragmatic versus academic. -d
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Victor Pascual Avila
- [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes availa… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jiri Kuthan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jiri Kuthan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jon Peterson
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Francois Audet
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jiri Kuthan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jiri Kuthan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jon Peterson
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Dan Wing
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Victor Pascual Avila
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Dean Willis
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Dan Wing
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Jiri Kuthan
- Re: [dispatch] Identity Adhoc - Nov 9th: Notes av… Elwell, John