Re: [Diversity] Moving to meeting attendance NOT required (was: Re: Consideration for participation)

"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Thu, 16 June 2016 14:01 UTC

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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Moving to meeting attendance NOT required (was: Re: Consideration for participation)
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I think Spencer caught it right (but I am also not the Mouthpiece of Melinda :-)
 
However, my reading is that this is not black and white. Nothing we do is "critical", "vital", or in any other way "necessary".  There are just shades of desirable and beneficial. There are trade-offs, and missing one meeting (for whatever reason - enforced, imposed, chosen,... ) is less likely to have an impact than never attending.
 
I think SM is actually in a really good position to talk to this precise point on attendance. He has been active in the IETF for a long time and has achieved stuff. Yet he is not often physically at IETF meetings. I'd like to hear his views, but my guess is: being there is nice, interesting, and helpful, but not being there does not prevent real work from being done.
 
Adrian
 
From: diversity [mailto:diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Sent: 16 June 2016 14:46
To: Dave Crocker
Cc: diversity@ietf.org; Melinda Shore
Subject: Re: [Diversity] Moving to meeting attendance NOT required (was: Re: Consideration for participation)
 
Hi, Dave,
 
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
On 6/15/2016 10:39 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
I am disturbed
by the extent to which we're an organization in which someone
can participate meaningfully while being remote when we're
talking about Singapore and the extent we're an organization
in which someone needs to attend meetings to build relationships
and move work forward the rest of the time.  Seriously, this
needs to stop.


If we made that stop, what would things look like?  I think we do not have a detailed, shared description of the alternative environment that would exist.  Most folk probably have their own sense of what it might be, but we're missing s shared specification.

Similarly, how to we get there?  What steps do we need to take, to move to this better environment?
 
I'm not the Melinda Whisperer, but I thought Melinda meant inconsistency between discussions about whether being in Singapore in person is critical, versus discussions about whether being at any meeting in general in person is critical.
 
But she can correct me if I misthought.
 
Spencer