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Re: [Diversity] Value and respect

"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> Mon, 13 June 2016 17:53 UTC

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, John Leslie <john@jlc.net>, "diversity@ietf.org" <diversity@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Value and respect
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:53:13 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Value and respect
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On 6/12/16, 4:08 PM, "diversity on behalf of S Moonesamy"
<diversity-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

>The second point of the text quoted above could be classified under
>freedom of speech.  Is it okay to make an argument if that argument
>would be viewed as offensive?  If a person  provides a hint about
>what not to say, it may happen that a person who does not usually
>speak English  will not understand the hint.

Good point. It often takes quite a lot of cultural and language context to
even understand a hint is being made, to say nothing of then discerning
what the hint was intended to mean.

But in any case, I really do hope we get to a point of understanding where
it is okay for IETF participants to respectfully disagree with one
another, discuss issues openly and with mutual respect, and come to some
consensus. We know how hard that is on technical issues, and it is surely
just as hard (or harder) on the non-technical ones.

It also seems important to remind ourselves that someone¹s position on an
issue (technical or not) is usually not fixed and unchanging. Rather, it
can change based on new information, new perspective, learning,
experience, and debate & discussion. Part of what we should do (IMHO) is
continue to encourage that sort of open environment & culture at the IETF.

JL

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