Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine

Benny Lyne Amorsen <benny+usenet@amorsen.dk> Wed, 02 December 2020 22:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine
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Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com> writes:

> p= DID NOT mistakenly choose to use the language of receiver
> actions. p= represents the domain-owner request to the receiver as to
> the disposition of messages which fail to validate. Any reading of
> "concern" is supposition on the part of yourself or other self
> appointed interpreters of the mind of the domain-owner or
> administrator. [..] This is an interoperability standard, not a
> seance.

Am I particularly thin-skinned for considering this language
inflammatory?

The thing is, domain owners can request anything they want, but why
should anyone listen? Particularly if they are rude about it instead of
asking nicely.

When someone brings up a concern they have and explain why it is of
benefit to either the recipient or the community to take certain
actions, that will likely be heard. However, unexplained edicts are
unlikely to be taken very seriously.