Re: [dmarc-ietf] no DMARC result for DKIM testing and policy

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] no DMARC result for DKIM testing and policy
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According to Mark Alley  <mark.alley@tekmarc.com>:
>> I don't feel particularly strongly about this, but I can see people thinking there's some correlation between DKIM testing and DMARC
>testing.  It's not completely illogical, so it might be better to be explicit.
>> Scott K
>
>Agreed as well. It's worth calling out, IMO.

I disagree.  DMARC is a decade old and I am not aware that anyone, ever, has had problems due
to confusion about DMARC and DKIM test flags.  This document is already too long and too late.

Unless there is an actual problem to solve here, let's close the issue and finish up.

R's,
John
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