Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packet, multiple packet responses
Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Wed, 19 March 2014 18:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packet, multiple packet responses
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In message <CAMm+LwjMuy9OcjG6XK9LY2pjig65caoKOL_j0vW+bRVOmdaaMw@mail.gmail.com> , Phillip Hallam-Baker writes: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote: > > > Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > In particular, if we let a DNS query ask more than one question at a > > > time then we improve latency of responses. > > > > No need to change the protocol, just make the queries concurrently. If > > your implementation makes that slow, fix the implementation. You would > > have to fix it anyway in order to support the protocol changes, so you > > might as well do the fix without the protocol change. No need to waste > > time and money on talking about paper protocols. > > > > This is not a change. It is implementing RFC1035 as written. > > BIND and co have done it wrong all these years. If the implementations are > not wrong then where is the RFC that states QDCOUNT = 1? The HEADER is future proof. The protocol is written for QDCOUNT = 1 for QUERY. The HEADER does NOT support QDCOUNT != 1 for general <QNAME,QTYPE,QCLASS> in the query section. There is no defined behaviour for fixed <QNAME,QCLASS> and variable <QCLASS>. > I have talked to the engineers at several browser companies and they tell > me that parallel queries do not actually work the way you imagine. > > In the first place it is only possible to issue the queries at all if you > override the built in platform API. But even when you do, problems are > caused by middleboxes and ISPs which limit the number of concurrent queries. Total BS. There are system resolvers that are thread aware. Fire off # threads in parallel then join. > For a resolver, the change is cheap. The benefit to the client is enormous. > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/ > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
- [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packet, m… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Tony Finch
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Ted Hardie
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Tony Finch
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Mark Andrews
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Joe Abley
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Matthijs Mekking
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Tony Finch
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Wiley, Glen
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dns-privacy] Multiple DNS requests per packe… Paul Wouters