Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please.
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@shinkuro.com> Tue, 01 February 2011 17:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please.
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On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 09:07:39AM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Phill was making technical statements, not "views". Perhaps you and I have different theories about the meanings of those terms. The point I'm trying to make is just that, the more contentious the disagreement, the nastier discussions can get on mailing lists. So I'm trying to ask everyone to be even nicer than usual. > Note that I did quote from the relevant RFC as I did so, and Phill has > not responded on the technical merits (or lack thereof) of his > statements. I wish to be pefectly clear that plainly stated cases comparing one person's argument against relevant RFC(s) are not, in my opinion, to be moderated and are not personal attacks. I'm only saying that, in making an argument, one can either make that argument nicely or state things in more colourful and stinging terms; and, I'd prefer that we lean towards the former approach (particularly just now). For the same reasons, if anyone wishes to argue exclusively from appeals to authority on the basis of deployed systems, he or she will need to address the complaints that the deployed systems have something wrong with them, or else accept that such arguments will continue to be made. But we will all benefit if we try very hard to be even more civil and dispassionate than usual in discussing these matters. Thanks, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc.
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- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… John Bashinski
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Paul Wouters
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Masataka Ohta
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [dnsext] Moderate one's tone, please. Derek Atkins
- Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstr… Danny Mayer