Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499

Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Thu, 23 July 2020 19:59 UTC

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:59:17 +0100
From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499
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Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
>
> in my opinion we should find new words and not redefine or
> overload the common meaning of primary and secondary.

Yes. I don't really like primary/secondary because it implies there are
only two categories when there aren't.

For zone transfers, each server can (and often does) have both upstreams
and downstreams, so the topology has multiple layers. Using "primary" and
"secondary" in this context often implies things that aren't true.

>From the outside point of view, an authoritative server can be used for
several functions (public auth server listed in NS records, zone transfer
server, update server, etc.) and whether it is primary or not is mostly
irrelevant.

Tony.
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