Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499
Michael De Roover <ietf@nixmagic.com> Fri, 07 August 2020 09:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499
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On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 09:59 -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: > It’s not controversial. That is, the problem isn’t that there is > controversy, although clearly there is, since you’re debating it. The > problem is also not that it’s offensive, although it is. I don't deny that it is regarded as controversial, seemingly by people with way too large a following on sites like Twitter. I'm asking why it is controversial. > The problem is that it is a useful harassment tool for racists.. The > U.S. has a large enough population of racists that it’s hard for a > Black person to avoid them. And the term “master/slave” is a way to > get in a racist dig without being called on it: you just emphasize > the words a bit as you use them, looking the Black person in the eye > as you do so, and everyone knows what’s being said, but there’s no > way to complain about it without seeming crazy. As I thought then. Racism in the United States. I suggest that the US solves these issues internally. Police brutality and racism in the country are very real but are not something a change in nomenclature will change at all. > So by using these terms in standards, we are putting a tool for > harassment in the hands of people who will definitely use it. We > should not do that, and the desire to continue doing things as we > always have is not a good reason not to change. That's like saying that in order for someone who wants to be a surgeon but hates blood, we need to remove the blood. Absolutely nonsensical. > This decision has already been made; debating it further isn’t going > to be fruitful. I still see draft updates to the RFC being posted regularly. From that it seems reasonable to assume that the RFC is still under development. Am I wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards, Michael De Roover
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- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 libor.peltan
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Martin Hoffmann
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 StJohns, Michael
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Michael De Roover
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Question regarding RFC 8499 Jared Mauch