Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem statement draft
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Wed, 06 April 2016 16:54 UTC
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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem statement draft
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On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:35:19PM +0000,
Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote
a message of 49 lines which said:
> I wrote about six pages of comments on the recently-submitted
> special-use TLD problem statement document.
I like it. I find it better than the awful
draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem, with its disparaging
terminology ("pseudo-TLD", a term I would be glad to see replaced by
"SUTLD").
> However, I think it may serve as a better starting point for the
> discussion than the current problem statement draft,
+1 and I recommend to everyone to read it before the discussion on
friday.
A few remarks:
> its unilateral allocation by the TOR project without following the
> RFC 6761 process
.onion was created nine years before RFC 6761 so you cannot blame the
Tor people for not following it.
> 4.1.1. Are Domain Names DNS Names?
You should really mention draft-lewis-domain-names here (you do it,
but later).
> 4.1.2. Does Every Domain Name Have The Same Meaning Everywhere?
Your claim is that today's differences in DNS answers for a same name,
as we see them today, are not real differences because they don't
change the user experience, or because they are done for good (malware
domains filtering). You forgot a very important use case,
censorship. Today, if a domain name works in Germany and not in France
because of differential censorship, would you say it is "not really an
exception"?
Let's face it, we no longer have a common namespace and names no
longer have the same meaning everywhere, even when taking only the DNS
in to account.
> 4.5. Experimental Squatting Problem
I dislike the term "squatting" which seems to imply that it was
illegal. Seriously, today, which avenue is open for a application
developer who thinks a special-use TLD would be nice for its
application? Besides patronizing like "we are the Elders, we know it
better, drop this stupid idea"?
> At present RFC 6761 doesn't give specific advice about what
> delegation, if any, should appear for newly registered SUTLDs. It
> may be worthwhile to make a default recommendation for this.
See draft-bortzmeyer-dname-root, published ten minutes ago.
- [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem state… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Example domains and following the standar… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [DNSOP] Formal syntax in the Special-Use domain r… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Formal syntax in the Special-Use doma… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Alain Durand
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Alternative Special-Use TLD problem s… Donald Eastlake