Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt

Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com> Tue, 15 August 2023 22:55 UTC

Return-Path: <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com>
X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7270BC1519B4 for <ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:55:41 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.907
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RAGt4vyYfcLq for <ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E598C1519B3 for <ecrit@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [99.111.97.131] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:55:36 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com>
To: Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net>
Cc: Roger Marshall <Roger.Marshall@comtech.com>, "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>, ECRIT <ecrit@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:55:35 -0700
X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5937)
Message-ID: <A4168EB8-D25E-4C7D-A38B-5E794FEA4669@coretechnologyconsulting.com>
In-Reply-To: <CDC0290A-5EDE-467D-8E5A-AB16A88305E3@brianrosen.net>
References: <5B047008-7D4E-4BFE-BE78-CC33BCEF7A73@brianrosen.net> <5B47FE0D-E3AE-4099-AD42-5968754EACF2@coretechnologyconsulting.com> <DCB336E7-C5FA-44F1-AA17-675AF1453C86@brianrosen.net> <CO6PR09MB7541CAE4566FF2613063DBC28914A@CO6PR09MB7541.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> <7EED0D3D-75E5-48F2-9817-9B3FB8DA9346@coretechnologyconsulting.com> <CO6PR09MB75414AFFEF23907A5A81F98A8914A@CO6PR09MB7541.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> <CDC0290A-5EDE-467D-8E5A-AB16A88305E3@brianrosen.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_EFFC3BF1-3BA8-4C33-BCF2-514F994A2890_="
Embedded-HTML: [{"plain":[231, 12129], "uuid":"9F724A50-F422-4C54-A883-58211FB2CD20"}]
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ecrit/zH2fqY3ZM9A6dHo005mQlYKwE5Y>
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt
X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies <ecrit.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ecrit>, <mailto:ecrit-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ecrit/>
List-Post: <mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ecrit-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit>, <mailto:ecrit-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:55:41 -0000

Would you mind doing a rev to fix the numbering thing? It sounds like 
it's just a one-word edit, so should be super easy/fast to rev, and will 
avoid getting comments on it.

--Randall

On 15 Aug 2023, at 13:25, Brian Rosen wrote:

> Can we start WGLC?
>
>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Roger Marshall 
>> <Roger.Marshall@comtech.com> wrote:
>>
>> Great! Thank you Randall.
>>
>> -roger.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com 
>> <mailto:rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 11:56 AM
>> To: Roger Marshall <Roger.Marshall@comtech.com 
>> <mailto:Roger.Marshall@comtech.com>>
>> Cc: Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net <mailto:br@brianrosen.net>> ; 
>> Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:superuser@gmail.com>> ; ECRIT <ecrit@ietf.org 
>> <mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action: 
>> draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt
>>
>>
>> WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution
>>
>> Dwight has agreed to shepherd the draft, but won't be able to start 
>> until the end of the month.
>>
>> --Randall
>>
>> On 15 Aug 2023, at 10:24, Roger Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> Please ask Dwight to shepherd.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -roger.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 10:13 AM
>>> To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com>
>>> Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>; ECRIT 
>>> <ecrit@ietf.org>;
>>> Roger Marshall <Roger.Marshall@comtech.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> WARNING: External Email: Exercise Caution
>>>
>>> I don't have the LoST-Sync changes in.  I think we're going to have 
>>> to
>>> do a larger fix to LoST Sync (signatures don't work as specified), 
>>> and
>>> we'll do them there.
>>>
>>> In the first paragraph of Section 3, the text talks about 3 entry
>>> points.  It expressly says "one" and "three" but refers to the 
>>> second
>>> as "Another".  The change suggested by Victor makes the numbering 
>>> for
>>> "two" explicit.  We can just go with what is there, or if there is
>>> another version to deal with comments we get in the approval 
>>> process,
>>> I'll fix it then.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Randall Gellens
>>>> <rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Are the changes you propose here reflected in -07?
>>>>
>>>> Can you remind me what "entry point numbering" means?
>>>>
>>>> Roger: You are listed as the shepherd. Are you able and willing to 
>>>> do
>>>> so or should I ask Dwight?
>>>>
>>>> --Randall
>>>>
>>>> Forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net>
>>>>> To: ECRIT <ecrit@ietf.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] I-D Action:
>>>>> draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt
>>>>> Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 15:14:17 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> I updated planned-changes to fix the typos reported by Victor.  I
>>>>> managed to undo one of his requested edits (entry point 
>>>>> numbering),
>>>>> which I will fix soon.  If I missed anything else, please remind 
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose to add another part to this document, which would be to
>>>>> add "AsOf" and "Expires" metadata to a LoST sync transaction, so a
>>>>> Forest Guide can do the same thing with planned changes as a LoST
>>>>> server could.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 22, 2023, at 2:56 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 
>>>>>> Internet-Drafts
>>>>>> directories. This Internet-Draft is a work item of the Emergency
>>>>>> Context Resolution with Internet Technologies (ECRIT) WG of the
>>>>>> IETF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Title           : Validation of Locations Around a Planned Change
>>>>>> Author          : Brian Rosen
>>>>>> Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-07.txt
>>>>>> Pages           : 21
>>>>>> Date            : 2023-05-22
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abstract:
>>>>>> This document defines an extension to the Location to Service
>>>>>> Translation (LoST) protocol (RFC5222) that allows a LoSR server 
>>>>>> ti
>>>>>> notify a client of planned changes to the data.  This extension 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> only useful with the validation function of LoST.  It is 
>>>>>> beneficial
>>>>>> for LoST validation clients to be aware of planned changes, as
>>>>>> records that previously were valid may become invalid at a known
>>>>>> future date, and new locations may become valid after the date.
>>>>>> This  extension adds an element to the <findService> request: a
>>>>>> date that  allows the LoST client to request that the server
>>>>>> perform validation  as of the date specified.  It adds an 
>>>>>> optional
>>>>>> Time-To-Live element  to the response, which informs clients of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current expected  lifetime of a validation.  It also adds a
>>>>>> separate interface to the  LoST server that allows a client to 
>>>>>> poll
>>>>>> for planned changes.
>>>>>> Additionally, this document provides a conventional XML schema 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> LoST, as a backwards compatible alternative to the RelaxNG schema
>>>>>> in RFC5222.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd
>>>>>> a%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2
>>>>>> bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
>>>>>> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SxYY1Nu
>>>>>> GkQ3kNUqzvb5JupVAKgBCs0XlZg86DAmDOKo%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> tatracker.ietf.org <http://tatracker.ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes%2F
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C49e1d4d3486e41d532160
>>>>>> 8
>>>>>> db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827716417
>>>>>> 7
>>>>>> 684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIi
>>>>>> L
>>>>>> CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Kx7LcCRXQufiu6v
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> G%2FeVN87rAPdj%2FFUUgVam9hr%2Bd%2F8%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
>>>>>> w%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2
>>>>>> bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
>>>>>> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7%2BsdM
>>>>>> IWyA%2FF23oFsbRrUM5eAewWz0KdwKUDP1aLVI2c%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> w.ietf.org <http://w.ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-0
>>>>>> 7
>>>>>> .html&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C49e1d4d3486e41d
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> 321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7
>>>>>> 164177684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2
>>>>>> l
>>>>>> uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wSsOeg3r3
>>>>>> m
>>>>>> kzmypQx4B44XDEeXsJlkmqpwxVu%2BJaUuA%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fa
>>>>>> u%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2
>>>>>> bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
>>>>>> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mySuUhP
>>>>>> 6HXgkMxP0eXhmQFxeaHty2cZ6BDL690kQsn8%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> thor-tools.ietf.org <http://thor-tools.ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Fiddiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-lost-planned
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> changes-07&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C49e1d4d348
>>>>>> 6
>>>>>> e41d5321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C
>>>>>> 6
>>>>>> 38277164177684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQI
>>>>>> j
>>>>>> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=X%2B
>>>>>> T
>>>>>> 6%2B1tH3oW3bcsjVcMHRvmrYT0pCE4rIt5aOfJJXDQ%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at
>>>>>> rsync.ietf.org <http://rsync.ietf.org/> ::internet-drafts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> I-D-Announce mailing list
>>>>>> I-D-Announce@ietf.org <mailto:I-D-Announce@ietf.org>
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
>>>>>> w%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2
>>>>>> bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
>>>>>> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7%2BsdM
>>>>>> IWyA%2FF23oFsbRrUM5eAewWz0KdwKUDP1aLVI2c%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> w.ietf.org <http://w.ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fi-d-announce&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.
>>>>>> Marshall%40comtech.com <http://40comtech.com/> 
>>>>>> %7C49e1d4d3486e41d5321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e6
>>>>>> 9
>>>>>> 6ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C638277164177684769%7CUnknown%7CT
>>>>>> W
>>>>>> FpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
>>>>>> C
>>>>>> I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=utfwh7mlcf0DgUAE7uRpDpqmSgUosU2rZbqZ
>>>>>> D
>>>>>> P6Ve%2FQ%3D&reserved=0 Internet-Draft directories:
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fww
>>>>>> w%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2
>>>>>> bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C63827
>>>>>> 7225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
>>>>>> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZwTTeKy
>>>>>> v9zVaplkL9ShjLrSESI41V4nQDt0aRP1qft4%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> .ietf.org <http://ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Fshadow.html&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/>
>>>>>> %
>>>>>> 7C49e1d4d3486e41d5321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc6778
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> 8%7C0%7C0%7C638277164177684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w
>>>>>> L
>>>>>> jAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%
>>>>>> 7
>>>>>> C&sdata=mpaay%2FiU4prtBAto4J4bbV0kdULr9BJ3vPOOCIbSuvw%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ftp%3A%2F%2Fftp%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com%7C808c1eacb43f40d2bc9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C638277225545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=x%2FC%2Fg%2F%2Bf%2Fy8gzaYNWFioMBt0y3e8%2BlsF%2FJMF4OqlqYs%3D&reserved=0.
>>>>>> ietf.org <http://ietf.org/> 
>>>>>> %2Fietf%2F1shadow-sites.txt&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%4
>>>>>> 0
>>>>>> comtech.com <http://comtech.com/> 
>>>>>> %7C49e1d4d3486e41d5321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd
>>>>>> 8
>>>>>> 01ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C638277164177684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8
>>>>>> e
>>>>>> yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7
>>>>>> C
>>>>>> 3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DfYq6DWIkYs6hT0jhnF60WrL9iM7MXWgOmiplQI8YWg%3D&
>>>>>> r
>>>>>> eserved=0
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Ecrit mailing list
>>>>> Ecrit@ietf.org <mailto:Ecrit@ietf.org>
>>>>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
>>>>> w%2F&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall%40comtech.com 
>>>>> <http://40comtech.com/> %7C808c1eacb43f40d2b
>>>>> c9408db9dc13f7b%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C6382772
>>>>> 25545611091%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu
>>>>> MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fO9%2Fl3Zf%
>>>>> 2F%2FTEYvzFAj%2BLvZxx7HLwOUy0rtni2XM9Qj8%3D&reserved=0
>>>>> .ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fecrit&data=05%7C01%7CRoger.Marshall
>>>>> %
>>>>> 40comtech.com%7C49e1d4d3486e41d5321608db9db2f4c7%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1b
>>>>> d
>>>>> 801ca6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C638277164177684769%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8
>>>>> e
>>>>> yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C
>>>>> 3
>>>>> 000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BL7XvskfYlSIda3q3jXHUyzPXHrCXfPwoBFrpU7Yzjs%3D&re
>>>>> s
>>>>> erved=0