Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Virtual BoF for draft-moonesamy-recall-rev

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 11 June 2019 16:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Virtual BoF for draft-moonesamy-recall-rev
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> On 11 Jun 2019, at 17:48, Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> wrote:
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> . One is about the sweet spot of recall difficulty - number of signers, etc... I believe that's an unimportant question - leadership have short 2 year terms and its not like they possess nuclear codes.


I think this very much depends on your business.  Knowing that the standard can be dinked right up until the IESG, if someone disappears from that process, your feature scheduling goes out the window.  Possibly your release planning as well.  Now some variability has to be allowed for in this process.  Weeks, maybe even small number of months.  Large #s of months or even years is not an acceptable #.

And that would encourage people to do work elsewhere.  And so it’s harmful to this organization when someone fails to show up for an extended period of time.

Eliot