Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Virtual BoF for draft-moonesamy-recall-rev

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Sunday, 26 May, 2019 13:22 +0100 Adrian Farrel
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I did once start to put together a recall petition for an AD
> (so long ago that we need not dwell on the details). I found
> that collecting cosignatories was slow, but for good reasons.
> People generally said "Yes, bad stuff is happening, but recall
> is pretty serious. Can we think about other ways of handling
> this?". And, indeed, once the seriousness got discussed a bit,
> the AD concerned modified their behaviour (coincidence is not
> causation).
>...

And that, IMO, is one of the reasons we have disagreements about
whether the recall mechanism "works".  While I wish I was more
confident that it could be carried all the way to its conclusion
of removing people if necessary -- and doing so in less than
nine months or a year -- there is a very real sense in which, if
starting the process results, even coincidentally, in an adjust
of behavior behavior in more positive directions (good) or a
resignation (less good but still effective), it is doing its
job.   That does not make the perception of fairness and
accessibility to all active IETF participants any less
important; indeed it may make it more important.

  john