Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom chair selection?
Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Sat, 15 August 2020 08:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom chair selection?
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Andrew, Thanks first for raising this subject, and more importantly for taking extremely seriously the job of selecting NomCom chairs. As I read your mail there are two questions that arise: 1. How can the ISOC President continue to select quality NomCom chairs 2. Should we consider a transition to some other way of selecting the NomCom chair The first point will, I think, be the subject of a number of suggestions, and you've already seen emails on the topic. It might help the discussion if we could hear from you a brief list of qualities you are looking for. I could suggest a number such as: history of involvement with the IETF; familiarity with people and task management; a bit of a process wonk; personally willing to make the commitment; funded to do the work. But it might be better to have your thoughts rather than my second-guesses. This list will, I believe, not be used to judge how you make the selection, but will be helpful to the community in suggesting where you might find candidates. The second issue should be approached with great care. You and the past ISOC Presidents have served us well in this respect and we should be slow to throw that away. In addition, as others have pointed out, some degree of separation between those appointed by NomCom and the appointment of the NomCom chair is highly desirable. But your point that you are gradually becoming less familiar with the IETF community is important and I can imagine that a things develop it could get harder and harder so that even with a list of volunteers or recommendations, it would be hard for the ISOC President to make a reliable appointment. Thanks again for starting this thread in good time before it is an insurmountable issue. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Eligibility-discuss <eligibility-discuss-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan Sent: 14 August 2020 20:22 To: eligibility-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom chair selection? Dear colleagues, I'm the President and CEO of the Internet Society (ISOC), and I'm writing with that hat on; but this account is where my IETF mail subscriptions generally are so it's more convenient to use this address. One of the things that I have been reflecting on in the discussions about nomcom eligibility is that it would also affect the pool for nomcom chair availability. As you probably know, I'm responsible to appoint the nomcom from year to year as part of my job. When I am replaced, that person will take over the responsibility. My job pulls me ever more away from the IETF, and I found it challenging to recruit and appoint the last two chairs. I am grateful that, in my estimation, I was able to get two people to volunteer that I thought were well-qualified and likely to do a good job, but I'm also aware that my familiarity with the IETF community is decreasing over time. This is in part due to the way the LLC has been designed, which I always understood as intending to create a little more distance between the Internet Society and the IETF. In keeping with that institutional design, I have been limiting my own participation; and ISOC has adopted a number of policies to ensure that it is not possible for others to mistake staff participation as ISOC control or dominance of the IETF. But, this means that the informal networks of connections that have historically bound the IETF and ISOC are perhaps not as strong as they once were. In any case, an IETF with very different nomcom eligibility criter! ia will m ean different criteria for nomcom chairs, too, so this seems like a good time to try to describe some sort of community mechanism to inform the nomcom chair selection. I could try it out for the next year, to see whether it might be practical. The trouble I have is that I don't really know where to start except with the approaches I have, which are mostly informal and depend upon the social-professional networks I have as well as those of others. That seems like a poor foundation on which to build, so I thought I'd ask to see whether people here have other suggestions for a starting point. Thanks and best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com -- Eligibility-discuss mailing list Eligibility-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eligibility-discuss
- [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom chai… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … 'Andrew Sullivan'
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Suggestions for nomcom … Victor Kuarsingh