[Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: John R Levine <johnl@ietf.email>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Thread-Topic: [Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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Subject: [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last call Secdir review
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> Why are we so determined to publish a spec that breaks decades of > interoperation? Wasn’t it you who said that operators will do what they want regardless of what the IETF says? Presumably if a vendor offers an encryption-only product those vendors will not be it. (They write their own, anyway)
- [Emailcore] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf last … Shivan Sahib via Datatracker
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draf… Stephen Farrell
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin Thomson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] Re: Re: … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Ken Murchison
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Ted Hardie
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-emailc… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore… Ken Murchison
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… S Moonesamy
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: draft… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Salz, Rich
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: draft… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Christian Huitema
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Richard Clayton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Andy Newton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: draft-ietf-emailcore-as-28 ietf l… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: [secd… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Andy Newton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: draft-iet… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Paul Wouters
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: the worst except for all of the o… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] draft-ietf-emailcore-as-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Douglas Foster
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Michael Richardson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Christian Huitema
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: Process point (Was: draft-ietf-em… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Eric Rescorla
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Barry Leiba
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Pete Resnick
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: d… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: [secdir] … John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: [secdir] draf… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: draf… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: the worst except … John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [secdir] draft-ie… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [secdir] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Jeffrey Walton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Douglas Foster